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 Post subject: Amber links
PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2003 12:04 am 
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heres a collection of some good links:

the golden circle, a webring of amber sites (some are down, and most are kinda old, but there is some rather good stuff in some of em)
www.chorazin.org.uk/gcircle/

Phage press, who print the 2 books for the amber diceless rpg
zelazny.corrupt.net/amber/Amberzine.html
has info on phage press and amberzine (the amber magazine)

www.lisamariebabik.com/am.../index.htm
is a VERY funny websight- of amusing way people playing the amber diceless rpg got their characters killed and maimed.

www.bears-cave.com/amber/index.html
is a good sight with some good links

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 Post subject: Re: Amber links
PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2003 9:27 pm 
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I've been to most of those sites, very nice! Further up, and further in!<i></i>


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 Post subject: Re: Amber links
PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2003 9:07 pm 
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bb.bbboy.net/shadowsofamber
is a rather nice amber message board. it does tend to focus more on the rpg.
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 Post subject: o.o
PostPosted: Thu Feb 20, 2003 10:11 pm 
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*Tackles this topic.* -.- I will now show every single person I know even though they've probably seen everything and everyone one of those sites at least once.

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 Post subject: Links
PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2003 1:35 pm 
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mabarry.kdmcs.com/amber/amblink.html

You've got to note the greatest link spot of all. <i></i>


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 Post subject: Re: Links
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but of course...thanks 4 dropping by! And now Danlo looked in that direction, too. He remembered that snowy owls mate in the darkest part of deep winter, and so along with this beautiful white bird perched in a tree a hundred feet away, he turned to face the sea as he watched and waited.

Ahira, Ahira, he called out silently to the sky. Ahira, Ahira<i></i>


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 Post subject: Amber Family Tree (no fake characters!
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The Amber Family Tree kick-ass! Further up, and further in! <i></i>


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 Post subject: Answers to some questions
PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 2:09 am 
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This page gives (or tries to give) answers to some questions about the lack of consistence in Amber series.
Some explanations are more, some less convincing.

The Amber Mailing List FAQ, February 4, 1998 "Damn you, Luke. You always make the stupidest things sound sort of attractive."
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 Post subject: Re: Answers to some questions
PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 7:11 pm 
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Dis,

It seems to have a lot to do with RPing.

What is this "Shadow Knight" book they keep citing?

Quote:A8) What color is Florimel's hair?

NPiA, Chapter 2: "The woman behind the desk wore a wide-collared,
V-necked dress of blue-green, had long-haired low bangs, all of a
cross between sunset clouds and the outer edge of a candle flame in
an otherwise dark room, and natural I somehow knew, and her eyes
behind glasses I didn't think she needed were as blue as lake Erie
at three o'clock on a cloudless summer afternoon; and the color of
her compressed smile matched her hair."

SotU, Chapter 4: "Pale gold, her hair. She had cut it, but retained
the bangs. I could not decide whether I liked it that way or not.
She had very lovely hair."

Sunset clouds are seldom yellow, and it's doubtful that Florimel wears
blonde lipstick (though one never knows). While the second quote is
unambiguous, from the first quote, it appears as if Florimel is a natural
redhead. Even if Corwin's memory was failing him when he said he knew it
was natural, you'd think he might have said something if Flora's Trump
representation had blonde hair. So what's going on? Some possibilities:

a.) Zelazny made a mistake and gave Florimel different hair colors. It's
possible, although not terribly likely. He mentions a change in her
bangs; it seems odd that he would say something like that and then get
her hair color wrong. On the other hand, Delwin's Trump has reddish hair
but when Merlin sees him in the hall of mirrors, he has blondish hair.

b.) Florimel's hair actually changes color between NPiA and SotU.
Corwin's "I could not decide whether I liked it that way or not" easily
could be referring to the change in hair color as well as styling.
Perhaps Florimel (gasp) dyes her hair from time to time, or her hair
color fluctuates naturally. Maybe she's a shapeshifter.

c.) Chris Doherty (cpdohert@calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca) has spent some time
staring at sunset clouds (pale orange, he claims) and a candle's flame in a
dark room (which he says is bright yellow). Seizing on the word "cross", he
believes the first passage is an artistic attempt to describe gold-colored
hair. He also says pale orange or peach lipstick was not uncommon in the
early 70's when NPiA was set so the compressed smile works out alright.

A9) How can Dara be born in a week after Lintra died? How can she be
ancient and powerful in the Merlin series?

Corwin's impression of Dara on first meeting her and Merlin's impression
of his mother are at odds. Corwin sees Dara as young and naive; Merlin
sees her as someone who negotiates with the Logrus on an equal basis and
who is powerful enough to scheme for control of the Courts. Furthermore,
the obvious way for Dara to be Lintra's great-granddaughter (through
Benedict's liaison with Lintra in Avalon) would require very rapid
timeflow for her to be ancient and powerful by the time she raised Merlin.

Very clearly, Dara lies to Corwin about some things, since she claims
knowledge of Benedict when he insists he knows nothing of her. It's
not inconceivable that she in fact deceives Corwin about many things,
which could easily include the specifics of her heritage and her age.

Some possible explanations: Dara and Merlin spent a good deal of time
in extremely fast time Shadows; Dara lied about her heritage and is not
descended from Benedict or Lintra (yes, Corwin saw confirmation of Dara's
heritage in Tir -- but doesn't Tir show you things you think are true?);
Dara was descended of a liaison of Benedict and Lintra that happened
before their encounter in Avalon (perhaps even before Amber was founded).

A10) What makes some Amberites older than others? Are they immortal?

Corwin says he appears to be in his mid-thirties, and then says that the
Shadows will lie for him. The appearance of all the family on the Trumps
seems to be young mature adulthood, with the possible exception of Benedict
and the definite exception of Oberon. There are several frequently
advanced theories. One is that an Amberite is literally only as old as
he or she feels. In the course of the first series, Random advances from
"asthmatic teenaged hood" and "homicidal little fink" to being described
as having a regal cast to his features. This could be merely an effect of
Corwin's changing perceptions, or it could be an actual change brought on
by maturity and Random's new self-image as husband, father, and king.
Another theory is that the Pattern freezes you at the age you are when you
walk it. Or perhaps the exercise of Real power ages Amberites.

As for Amberite immortality: some suggest is that it's the effect of the
Pattern. Others point out that Swayvill, Moire, Roger-the-guard and others
appear to have extremely elongated life spans. Corwin himself spent some
number of centuries on Shadow Earth, and did not age excessively in that
time. Corwin also tells Ganelon that Benedict has enjoyed a lifetime
measured in terms of millenia. On the other hand, in the second series,
Swayvill of Chaos ostensibly dies of old age. So a GM has the option of
giving the average Amberite either a very long lifespan with the possibility
of death from old age in some distant future -- or functional immortality.
Some have found that the elongated lifespan helps to curb the PC tendency
to spend a thousand years in a fast time shadow learning macrame.

A11) What was Julian's favorite game?

There's no answer for this in the books. However, Judd M. Goswick
(juddg@randomc.com) regaled the list with the following tale, which
speaks for itself:

Julian's self-control slipped only once, when Corwin kissed his cheek.
In that single moment, Julian's hand strayed and "BZZZT!" the nose of
the Oberon Trump shone red and Julian looked down to see that in
attempting to remove the Jewel of Judgment from the card, he had hit
the edge of the card with the Tweezers.

Corwin then drew the "Crown" card, took the tweezers and fetched it with
no problem, as Julian was still shocked. He then laid claim to the
throne until Oberon sent him to his room. Just before he was taken away,
Julian threw his tumbler of "Juicy-rific Kool-Aid" at Corwin's face.

"I'll have your eyes for this, Corwin!" He had spoken too soon and
the disappointment on Overon's face was apparent. He had lost his
self-control twice in one sitting.

All Dworkin could do was look up from his paper and ask Julian, "How
do you know about the eye thing?" "If we lived in a State where virtue was profitable, common sense would make us good, and greed would make us saintly. And we'd live like animals or angels in the happy land that needs no heroes. But since in fact we see that avarice, anger, envy, pride, sloth, lust, and stupidity commonly profit far beyond humility, chastity, fortitude, justice and thought, and have to choose, to be human at all...why then perhaps we must stand fast a little - even at the risk of being heroes." - Sir Thomas More, "A Man For All Seasons," by Robert Bolt<i>Edited by: mhoram6910 at: 7/22/05 4:59 pm
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 Post subject: Re: Answers to some questions
PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 9:06 pm 
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I also noticed this inaccuracy "Shadow Knight" instead "Knight of Shadows".

Yes, it has to do with RPG (Sorry, Benedict/Mhoram, I know you do not like RPG), but the reason I gave this link is that there are answers to many questions I was wondering about. Of course, some answers are related to RPG,but most of them also clarify things we were discussing.
For examle:

Quote:A7) What's the deal with Caine's parentage anyway?

According to Corwin, Caine is just after him in the succession, yet Merlin says Caine, Julian, and Gerard are full brothers. That should put Bleys and Brand ahead of Caine, unless Caine is illegitimate, but Corwin never mentions that. An evaluation of the situation:

a.) Both Corwin and Merlin are correct.
i) Caine may be the illegitimate son of Rilga. This may be the most popular explanation. It's certainly the simplest.
ii) Caine may be legitimate, and Oberon was involved in (yet
another) bigamous marriage, knowingly or not, and/or some (more) strange timeflow problems.
iii) Julian and Gerard should have been directly after Caine in the succession but have been delayed for unspecified reasons.
(One might imagine Gerard accepting this without a fuss, but Julian would seem a different matter...)

b.) Corwin is wrong but Merlin is correct. It seems unlikely for Corwin to miss a small detail like who is right behind him in the succession (then again, at an earlier point, he thinks of himself and Random as full brothers). This would imply Caine is somewhere else in the succession, perhaps immediately before Julian.

c.) Merlin is wrong but Corwin is correct. In this case, Caine is the son of an unnamed woman, whether legitimate or not, born sometime between Corwin and Fiona. (The _Complete Amber Sourcebook_ takes the view that Caine is Corwin's full brother, born after him and before Deirdre, but hardly anyone else does.)

d.) Both Corwin and Merlin are wrong. Anything goes. Make up your own thing? "Damn you, Luke. You always make the stupidest things sound sort of attractive."
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 Post subject: Re: Answers to some questions
PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 11:58 pm 
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Dis,

Sorry! Didn't mean to imply I was annoyed or anything with the link. Far from it! As you said, there are several interesting questions answered in it.

I did find the Caine one interesting - it was one of the clearest inconsistencies in the series.

As for "Shadow Knight" - I thought perhaps it was some sort of guidebook that I hadn't heard of. I'm disappointed now "If we lived in a State where virtue was profitable, common sense would make us good, and greed would make us saintly. And we'd live like animals or angels in the happy land that needs no heroes. But since in fact we see that avarice, anger, envy, pride, sloth, lust, and stupidity commonly profit far beyond humility, chastity, fortitude, justice and thought, and have to choose, to be human at all...why then perhaps we must stand fast a little - even at the risk of being heroes." - Sir Thomas More, "A Man For All Seasons," by Robert Bolt<i></i>


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 Post subject: Trumps and RPG
PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 11:18 pm 
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Some trupms based on famous actors are here: rupunzel.com/rpg/chaos/char/trump.php?page=5

It is obviously some part of RPG. There are some new characters absent in the original. Also the fate of others was changed e.g.

Quote:ERIC
Not dead anymore. Eric is the first son of Oberon and Queen Faiella. Eric was born prior with their marrige and never had his illegitimacy officially dissolved. Eric was King of Amber for several years in the time leading up to Patternfall. He died defending Amber from an attack by the Courts of Chaos with the Jewel of Judgement. Recently, a ghost of Eric from Tir obtained the Jewel of Judgement, using it to become real. He has returned to Amber, and now rules again.
BTW - Eric's Trump is Viggo Mortensen (Aragon from LoTR). Maybe not a bad idaea "Damn you, Luke. You always make the stupidest things sound sort of attractive."
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 Post subject: Re: Trumps and RPG
PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 9:00 pm 
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Yet another link with trumps. Mangha style this time.

trumps

You have to go to the middle of page, because at the beginning you have only non-canonical characters. "Damn you, Luke. You always make the stupidest things sound sort of attractive."
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 Post subject: Re: Trumps and RPG
PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 7:12 pm 
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Those ones were very unorthodox, but I liked several of them. -----------------
"If we lived in a State where virtue was profitable, common sense would make us good, and greed would make us saintly. And we'd live like animals or angels in the happy land that needs no heroes. But since in fact we see that avarice, anger, envy, pride, sloth, lust, and stupidity commonly profit far beyond humility, chastity, fortitude, justice and thought, and have to choose, to be human at all...why then perhaps we must stand fast a little - even at the risk of being heroes." - Sir Thomas More, "A Man For All Seasons," by Robert Bolt<i></i>


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 Post subject: Re: Trumps and RPG
PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 9:27 pm 
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Sorry, Benedict/mhoram. I have just found a book called "Shadow Knight". It is in fact on RPG.
www.waynesbooks.com/AmberDiceless.html "Damn you, Luke. You always make the stupidest things sound sort of attractive."
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