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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 3:25 pm 
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In Saturday's LA Times there was front page story about this year's movie attendance being spectacularly and significantly down as compared to last year. Over the last few months there has been much speculation by movie community as to the cause (high ticket sale prices, high gas prices, public behavior at the the theaters, high movie concession prices, piracy of movies, early release to cable and DVD market, etc.) This story said that the movie industry is just a bunch of screw ups when it comes to knowing what makes a movie a hit or a flop. Well, DUH!

Michael Medved, syndicated talk radio guy, author and former PBS's At the movies host, says it's a red state vs. blue state issue. IOW, since the movie industry is based in a blue state and holds blue state views and opinions, their product reflects those proclivities and those views are so unappealing to the majority red state audiences that those audiences can not bear to patronize that product.

Some of the evidence Medved uses is the deliberate propagandizing for a specific end of life issue in Million Dollar Baby, George Lucas's anti American statements at 2004 or 2005 Cannes festival, and some of Woody Allen's bizarrer statements. taraswizard
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Does Medved have any statistics backing up what he's saying? ie. movie attendamce rates in blue states vs. red states?

I thought it was a combination of factors:
*movies are not cheap, especially if you have to pay a babysitter
*a lot of people would rather wait and see a movie on a dvd in the comfort of their own homes, and not have to deal with rude fellow patrons
*why pay so much money and have to see car advertisements before the film?
*a lot of people are on a tight budget these days, and that will only get worse with high home heating costs that will be hitting us this winter...
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The trick of Medved's argument that it is not a geographic one of California and Illinois vs. Nevada and Indiana. But that it is red state values vs blue state values. Statistically, his argument does not hold much credibility since MBD was a huge hit nationwide (regardless of his own attempts to sabotage the movie, 1) by giving away the plot twist and 2) by saying the movie was boring, the story uninspiring, the actors bland and their characters wooden). Medved's explanation was that the movie's slick packaging and use of appealing and popular actors was the way for the movie's blue state values to be forced down the throat of the an audience that has red state values. IOW, it was the force feeding of liberal propaganda. taraswizard
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Movies are down to last year because last year was phenomenal. Compared to the average over the last several years, movies are doing fine. ________________
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 11:39 pm 
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According to NY Times Quote:December 17, 2005
Pursuing the Scarcer Moviegoers
By SHARON WAXMAN
SANTA MONICA, Dec. 16 - With evidence increasing that the American moviegoing habit is in decline, theater owners are undertaking a concerted campaign to bring it back.
The National Association of Theater Owners, the primary trade group for exhibitors, is pushing to improve the theatrical experience by addressing complaints about on-screen advertisements, cellphones in theaters and other disruptions, while planning a public relations campaign to promote going out to the movies.
Some exhibitors are hiring more ushers to ride herd on inconsiderate patrons and are thinking about banning children after a certain hour, to cut down on crying babies in the theater, said John Fithian, president of the trade group.
"We have to attack rude behavior - fighting, bickering, talking too loud," Mr. Fithian said.
Some of the proposed solutions may not be so popular. The trade group plans to petition the Federal Communications Commission to permit the blocking of cellphones inside theaters, Mr. Fithian said. That would require changing an existing regulation, he added. But some theaters are already testing a no-cellphones policy, asking patrons to check their phones at the theater door.
A spokesman for a cellphone lobby said the group would object to any regulatory change. "We're opposed to the use of any blocking technology, because it interferes with people's ability to use a wireless device in an emergency situation," said Joseph Farren, a spokesman for CTIA-the Wireless Association, based in Washington.
Moviegoers' biggest complaint, however, is ticket prices. A recent online study found that price was the reason most often cited by those polled for staying away, far more than movie quality or rude behavior. The price of movie tickets has risen steadily over time, about 5 percent in the last two years. An adult ticket now typically costs $10 in major cities like New York and Los Angeles, though the average ticket price nationally is $6.34.
"It's gotten too expensive to go the theater," said Lauren Schneider, 49, who was strolling along the Santa Monica pedestrian mall on a brisk evening recently with her husband, Sascha. "You need a baby sitter. Tickets are $10, the popcorn is another $10. Before you're done it's a $50 night out."
When they think a movie is a must-see - like "King Kong" - they will go, said the couple. Otherwise, "if it's borderline, I'll wait to rent it on DVD," Mrs. Schneider said.
Mr. Fithian insisted that going to the movies is not too expensive, compared to other out-of-the-home leisure activities. "If consumers seriously analyzed their options, they'd realize that the cinema is the best value for a buck," he said.
The theater owners group plans to hire a public relations firm to promote that message, though Mr. Fithian acknowledged that his argument has so far fallen on deaf ears.
Among a dozen moviegoers interviewed at the Santa Monica AMC theater, almost all cited ticket prices as a major factor in deciding whether to attend a movie. Several said ads were a nuisance. Most cited the caliber of the movies as the biggest issue.
"There's a lack of quality stories," said Lisa Martin, 40, from Bakersfield, Calif., who was on her way to see "Syriana." "We feel like if we're going to spend this amount of money, we want to see something good."
None said ringing cellphones was a major problem, and some suggested that being denied access to their phones would discourage them from going to the theater. "I don't want an 18-year-old in charge of my cellphone," Mrs. Martin's husband, Clay, said, referring to the possibility that cellphones would be left at the door. "I have a $700 phone."
Asked about the proposals, Douglas Heller, executive director of the Foundation for Taxpayer and Consumer Rights, said that blocking phones might be a cure worse than the illness. "It doesn't sound like it's a plan that's been really thought out," he said. "There's a legitimate reaction against cellphone use in theaters, by moviegoers and theater owners. But I don't think the public is going to react very well to being handled in this way."
Even without new policies, theater owners say they are aggressively trying to respond to customer complaints and to maintain the comfort of seeing a movie in a big dark public space. Indeed, theater chains have invested in recent years in numerous amenities designed to upgrade the theatrical experience, with stadium seating, upscale restaurants in the lobby or state-of-the-art sound systems.
"We are trying to do a better job of policing our auditoriums, and making sure that if somebody is acting up in the theater, that they get one chance to shut off their cellphone or quit talking, and after that, they're asked to leave," said Aubrey Stone, president of the Georgia Theater Company, which owns theaters with 267 screens in Georgia, South Carolina and Virginia. "We don't want to ask people to leave, but they're ruining the experience for other patrons."
The measures are the first concerted response by movie exhibitors, the sector of the movie industry hit hardest this year. There has been a decline in the box office of more than 5 percent, and an even larger decline in movie attendance. The downturn has led some Hollywood studios to consider reducing, or even eliminating, the length of time between a theatrical release and that of the DVD, on the presumption that more people want to see movies in their homes.
Exhibitors vigorously oppose closing this gap, and their trade group has insisted that the current slump is merely a momentary dip in a cyclical business. The group contends that ticket sales are up over a 35-year period, though the industry's own figures show a decline in ticket sales for three years in a row, after a banner year in 2002.
Mr. Fithian and other executives said they had responded to the box-office slump by examining consumer research and listening more closely to patrons. They say that the three main complaints are movie advertisements, cellphones and other disturbances and the high price of going to the movies.
Theater owners will not eliminate on-screen advertisements, because doing so would drive ticket prices higher, Mr. Fithian said. But they are looking at ways to make the ads more entertaining and to mix them with information about the movies.
Screenvision, one of two companies that package on-screen advertising for exhibitors, has recently invested $50 million in a digital projection system to improve the viewing quality of the advertising. The other company, National CineMedia, is introducing 20-minute packages, which include, along with the ads, behind-the-scenes segments from movie sets like "King Kong."
"The biggest complaint we get from audiences is, 'We've seen it before on TV,' " said Kurt Hall, the chairman of National CineMedia. "We are taking that head on and going to try to achieve our goal by the end of the year, which is to have everything be original."
But Matthew Kearney, the chief executive of Screenvision, disputed the notion that advertising was a reason audiences might be staying home more. Ads "are not a deterrent" to going to the movies, he said. "Our current studies show that given the choice between ads or a blank screen, only 8 percent prefer a blank screen."
Still, he said, "we have to continue to try and improve what we're doing." He added, "If we don't, someone else will attract the audience to stay at home and watch TV, or play video games, or go to a restaurant."
Mr. Fithian said that consumers are complaining about the length and quality of ads. And he said advertising takes up too much time in the theater. How long is too long? "I don't know how long it should be," he said, "but it should be less than it is now." Comments.

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 Post subject: Re: movie attendance down
PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 2:35 am 
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I gotta say that price is what keeps me from seeing as many movies as I did back in the day. I used to be able to get a matinee for $4. Now it's usually only a dollar less. Concessions have always been insanely expensive, but I used to get the occasional pretzel or whatever. Now... no way.

I've personally never had a problem with people's cell phones. Occasionally someone's rings, but they usually silence it quick, the whole thing being no more annoying than someone with a coughing fit. That's not to say that there aren't a lot of annoying people at the theatre (amazing how some big guy will always sit down right in front of my wife in a nearly empty theatre). Bringing back ushers is a great idea.

I think there's also something else that's keeping people from movies, though it may be a small number. Run time. If the movie's scheduled for 9:15, the screen comes up at about 9:20. Then you have at least four minutes of commercials (grrrr) followed by what seems like half an hour of previews. Seriously, three is plenty. And there's almost no such thing as a 90 minute movie anymore. So what used to be a two hour affair is now, typically, closer to three. If you're pressed for time or paying the sitter...

And there's way too much recycled crap these days. Did the world really need Cheaper by the Dozen 2? ________________
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 7:43 pm 
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If I remember the LA Times essay and a few conversations with people I know. Recounting the recent track record of movie performances. Bewitched, Nicole Kidman and Will Ferrell, this as promoted as a big summer hit and it became a HUGE summer flop. Recent release, Aeon Flux with Charlize Theron, another big flop (somewhat underserdly if what I hear is accurate) that was being promoted as a big holiday release. Another example, the recent Herbie movie with Lindsay Lohan. The point of this small discussion is supporting the Times essay, the guys running things do not have a clue what will be successful.

And seems Sylvanus mostly agrees with the NY Times.

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 Post subject: Re: movie attendance down
PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2005 7:18 pm 
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I have to agree with Syl that running times are a problem. I work second shift and the matinees start too late for me to get out of the film and get to work on time (way too many commercials and trailers for films that usually have no interest at all for me really stretch out how long "a film" lasts). Of course, I cannot go to afternoon or evening shows. And I get off of work at midnight, so cannot get to the midnight showings before the film has already started.

And Fridays and Saturdays, my days off, are usually very busy with family activities.

If I want to see a movie, its almost like I have to make an appointment to do so. Or take an extra day off of work.

In the past year I have seen Star Wars III (a must for the kids), Harry Potter IV (a must for the kids), and War of the Worlds (a must for my date). I will probably also see Narnia, because my younger son really wants to see it.

I'm sure you can see a pattern here -- big budget blockbusters that my teenagers want to see.

What sort of movies do I watch on dvd? I tend to watch quiet, thoughtful movies like Warm Springs.

Even though I do not like cell phones in the movie theater, I hope they would not block them or ban them. If there is an emergency, people would need to be able to reach 911.
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