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Seems our previous RotS thread was eaten in the Ezboard hack.

Revenge of the Sith. It's better than AotC, but that is little, little praise.

Xmen2 and Spiderman2 are better than this movie. This movie is about as good as Sky Captain and the world of tomorrow.

If I never see another light saber fight it will be to soon. BTW, if I wanted to see lots of sword fights in a movie I'd rewatch Kill Bill v1. And it's a better movie too.

Duchess please chime in cause I remember you liked RotS. Other opinions, please.

taraswizard
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The book is a lot better than the movie, IMHO. The book is actually very enjoyable and well done.

Too much of the motivations of the characters is left out in the movie, so some of the most important scenes in the movie do not make a whole lot of sense.

For example, in the movie in the fight between Yoda and Palpatine it looks as if Yoda bails out in the middle of the battle for no reason. In the book it is because Yoda realizes that the Sith Lord is much more powerful than he is, and there is no way he can defeat him. It is a paradigm shift for Yoda, and for the Jedi. Yoda realizes that the Sith have changed since the last time they openly challenged the Jedi, and that the Jedi have not changed at all, and have become complacent. Yoda knows that he must get away so he can pass this on to any surviving Jedi.

The affect of this realization is shown in the way that Obi-Wan and Yoda train Luke -- they let him be raised as a normal person rather than a Jedi and then train him like a Sith rather than as a Jedi (they allow him to have emotional attachments to other people, among other things), and then turn him loose to make his own decision about which way to go.

The Jedi have been changed forever in the moment that Yoda makes his realization, and it is never even raised in the movie!!!

I found the visuals in the movie to be well done, especially the space battle at the beginning. And while I personally prefer the "classic" trilogy, ROTS was a huge improvement on the other two prequels, especially the POS that was Attack of the Clones. While Portman is a stunning young woman, she has shown absolutely no acting ability at all in these movies, and since she has a lot fewer scenes in the third movie, that is a big improvement right there. Christiansen has more action scenes, and fewer scenes where he has to attempt to act, and that is also an improvement. Their scenes together are still wince-worthy, however. I actually enjoyed this one, where I thought that Phantom Menace was fully mediocre, and Clones was pretty much unwatchable for me.

I had started a ROTS thread, too, and I think that one was probably eaten i nthe hacker attack, too. (sigh) ******************************************************

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Duchess thanks for replying. everyone. more than Duchess or me have to have seen this flick.

If anyone was asking I liked it and liked SCatWoT, too, and I might go see it again. Regarding light saber fights, and RotS having an oversufficiency, I've been asked what was I expecting? WELL, maybe a GOOD MOVIE. Cause I'm dead serious about KBv1 being a better movie. IOW, I think when ever Lucas ran out of plot ideas he'd throw in a saber fight.

John Williams score, PLEEASE. Watching BtVS and ATS, Finding Nemo, LoTR triology and an HBO movie called Iron jawed Angels has educated me to how important music can be to the visuals. And JW does not cut it anymore.

taraswizard
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Actually, I enjoyed the soundtracks to the new movies (especially Phamtom Menace & its Duel of the Fates) more than the movies themselves. ******************************************************

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OK, now I have a continuity question. Anakin Skywalker = Darth Vader, and Anakin knew Padme was pregnant with twins. In Revenge of the Jedi when Luke is fighting Vader (BTW another light saber fight) for the Emperor's amusement, at one point Vader says "Sister, you have a sister" as if it's a surprise, what's up with that? taraswizard
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I cannot remember exactly what Anakin knew in the movie, but in the book it is made clear that Padme had instructed her medical droids to keep the information about her pregnancy secret from her (as in she wanted to be surprised about the sex of her child). She (and by extension, Anakin) had no idea she was actually carrying twins. <i></i>

Duchess, you might be right.

Why are Star Wars fans so defensive, compared to Star Trek fans, for example? If one says to a ST fan, you know all the ST movies are not great movies, the ST fan will most likely agree and then tell you which ones are not so good. Contrastingly, say the same thing to a SW fan and you might be subjected to a verbal tirade about how you don't understand nor appreciate Mr. Lucas's vision and talent. IT might devolve to berating onslought about how yuo're actually an uncultured cretin for your lake of taste. Before you discount my statements, I can state empirically this has happened to me. taraswizard
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I'm not sure why, Taras. If any series (books, movies, TV shows -- what have you) goes on long enough, there is bound to be some uneveness in quality at some point along the line.

To me the low point of the Star Wars movies was Attack of the Clones, which was pretty much unwatchable for me, primarily due to the horrible acting of Christenson and Portman. A love story with no emotion in it just doesn't do it for me...

There are some pretty darned bad Star Wars books out there, too, as far as that goes. (Some pretty darned bad Star Trek books, too, as far as that goes -- and some pretty bad Star Trek movies, too).

Revenge of the Sith was a pretty big improvement in the Star Wars universe (the book, once again, is first rate) -- especially over the steaming pile of poo that was Attack of the Clones -- and I think a lot of the fans are pretty pumped up and excited about it. After some time goes by, people will probably mellow out about it, and perhaps be not so offended by other people's negative comments. ******************************************************

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Duchess of Malfi wrote the following in another message about Episode III RotS Quote:Well, I found it to be a much better movie than either Episode 1, or the POS that was Episode 2.

That said, Portman and Christiansen still stink big time, and their "romance" still feels as flat as a pancake. Howver, there are, thankfully, not many scenes with both of them, and the movie benefits from that, IMHO.

The beginning space battle was superb, and I wish it could have lasted longer.

I think the book was a lot better than the movie. The book develops the various characters a lot more, and described the various battles, in particular, much better. The movie seemed rushed in comparison, and many of the deaths seemed quick and crappy (especially Dooku's).

The book also had more scenes between Palpatine and Annakin, so that you could follow Annakin's descent into the dark side in more complete way.

Also, it explains things such as Yoda suddenly bailing out of his battle with Palpatine, which the movie showed but did not explain at all.

However -- the movie was definately watchable and enjoyable.
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taraswizard
Allan Rosewarne N9SQT/WDX6HQV
Chicago area
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On another bulletin board, it's been posted and discussed that the Star Wars franchise movies has been more sucessful than Star Trek franchise movies (BTW, if anyone would care, which I don't think anyone would, this news is a huge dissapointment to me since I am a big Trek fan, and am fairly luke warm about SW). ST movies consists of so far eleven films, and SW movies consists of so far six movies.

Does anyone think this is because the Star Wars story is not really a SF tale, but it's a fantasy story (Like LoTR), and fantasy movies have always done better box offices and been more popular than SF movies? Why, one might ask. Well, to some degree there is a public perception that one has to have an advanced engineering or advanced physics degree to enjoy a SF movie. OTOH, to enjoy a fantasy one only has to believe in magic. taraswizard
Allan Rosewarne N9SQT/WDX6HQV
Chicago area
W/T forever, always
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